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by the public religion research institute finds almost two-thirds of all americans are in favor of a path to citizenship. though that number probably doesn't take into account the feelings of the 11 million undocumented americans. it also showed that 71% of americans favor a pathway and a robust 53% of republicans are in favor of one as well. which is all well and good. should we consider what immigrants think? we welcome the great writer who grew up in haiti and immigrated at age 12. she's written many beautiful novels and a book called create dangerously. the immigrant writer at work. she is a genius, certified. it is truly an honor to have you on the show. thank you very much. >> thank you so much for having me. i just remember you as such a novelist before. it has been great to see what's happened to you. >> now we're getting too much. your recent article, you talk about immigrants remain humane treatment. what do you mean? how do you define humane treatment? do you include a 13-year pathway as humane? >> well, humane treatment is basic. you have a detention system now where it is mos
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